Pros of being legit:Money from CORP budget for tools and annual maintenance.Better organization/communication through CORP channels.Some assurance that the trails will be around and continue to be maintained.Potential ability to do larger, funded projects.Trail listed on CORP page with conditions, so more wheels, hopefully more volunteers. The East Side is definitely a trail desert, and a surprising number of people don't know about the Burdocks; just getting them on the web page would increase awareness quite a bit.Cons of being legit:It's possible that the land manager/owner doesn't want trails there and doesn't know they are there, and it ends up being a sleeping dog we shouldn't have woken (this is pretty unlikely; it's hard to believe they don't know, and we have a good track record of working with land managers and crafting agreements that work for both parties).Land manager and/or their lawyers may have issues with and/or ideas about what trails should look like.For it to really work better than it does now, someone will have to be in charge; of trail conditions, of interacting with the land manager, of dealing with other users and sometimes telling people what they can and can't do. That all takes more time and commitment than just showing up when you have some free time.Some of the cool, organic, hobo vibe goes away. It's actually pretty easy to keep most of this, but for some people, especially who have been using and caring for the trails for a long time, this may be a sticking point. We will get accused of trying to "take over" the trails if we move ahead.We went through this a few years ago at Quarry Park, and I think most will agree that it has worked out for the best. Instead of cycles of a couple years of decent maintenance followed by a couple years of neglect, then a bunch of work to try to bring it back, it's consistently in great shape, a lot more people are riding there, we've got a really good relationship with the City and with the other users of the park, and it still has a pretty unique feel.As far as an "Other Trails" section of the website, that's a tough call. Drawing more attention and riders to trails that aren't supposed to be there isn't necessarily in the best interest of the trail. Whether the land manager doesn't know they are there, or does and is choosing to look the other way, keeping it on the down-low is often the best approach. On the other hand, we don't get a ton of traffic outside the mountain bike community, so that may not be much of a risk.Bottom line for me is, it would be good for the trails, good for the riders currently using them, and good for the local community to bring the trails above board, but it will require someone, or hopefully a few people, to put in a little time, first going to meetings and emailing and such, and then organizing work sessions and maintaining the relationship with the landowner. It's not as glamorous as trimming weeds and digging in the dirt, but it's worth it to see the trails in better shape and more people riding them.
I wasn't suggesting that you shouldn't use a chainsaw, only suggesting alternatives if you can't find one.
Thanks for organizing the trail work on the 19th. Unfortunately I can't make it but I had some free time and I haven't contributed in a long time so I did a little work out there this morning. The trails looked good and there were very few mosquitoes. A few notes:I cut down the branch across the blacktop trail and moved it out of the way.I cut down the big branch across the trail in the middle of the park. When someone stronger or a group is there they can drag it off the path. There was another tree down across the new trail near the national guard fence. I didn't cut this one up because I was out of time. If someone wants to do some cutting there is a small yellow bow saw that is always at the park. I last saw it hanging from a tree near the bmx style trail area. Of the trails I walked, the old trails just seemed like they needed a few branches trimmed with a loppers. The trails from this year are overgrown already and will need more work. If someone could bring a garbage bag there is broken glass on the trail next to the baseball fields. Otherwise not much garbage. There is a bicycle parking sign and post next to the trail. I can't help but assume this is stolen. This makes us look bad. If it is stolen and the person who put it there is reading this please put the sign back where you found it.
I haven’t got much feedback on getting together for some trail work, so I may not make it out there until a little later. I must have just missed you yesterday Justin, I was Able to get the rest of the downed tree off the trail in the central area As well as another downed tree on the newer section Of the trail. I weed whipped the new trails Along the north-East of the area, but didn’t get the entirety of it.I’ll update here on any work I get done as I’m sure others will too.
Is the "blacktop trail" a shorter track that loops near the large hill entrance of the old trail? There is also a crumbling stretch of asphalt that runs behind the backstop of that small park that could use some attention from the overgrown brush etc.
Quote from: RedStrong on September 23, 2020, 12:17 AMIs the "blacktop trail" a shorter track that loops near the large hill entrance of the old trail? There is also a crumbling stretch of asphalt that runs behind the backstop of that small park that could use some attention from the overgrown brush etc.The trail I was thinking of is the one behind the backstop in Carpenter-Ridgeway Park. It runs in a straight line nearly from the Starkweather Creek Path to Carpenter Street.