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Need help with trail upkeep (Burdocks)
Trailbuilding and Advocacy
January 12, 2020, 09:57 AM
To follow up on the "who owns the land" discussion, a friend recently pointed out that anyone can look up land ownership at
. Zoom in, then click on an area and there is a popup that shows the owner and other information.
The burdock trails are made up of two parcels, both owned by "DANE COUNTY TRUAX AIR PARK":
January 15, 2020, 01:22 PM
I have been doing a good share of cleanup, trimming and trail improvement for the last couple years. The place is a jungle in the summer and the trimming definitely got away on me this last summer. There are some low areas that get rather muddy when the trails are wet. I have hardened a few places to keep them from being torn up too much. I routinely trim branches (sides of trail and overhead) to ensure it is rather safe to ride. As with probably most trail systems, people who hike in there don't want to do any work to maintain them but once you do some improvement work, they begin to complain about how it isn't good enough. I have also found there are saboteurs that purposely block the trail with logs, branches, etc. So, be on the lookout for changes. As mentioned, this is owned by the County and so it could be lost at any time.
Justin, I appreciate what you are doing and would like to work with you and others on the trails come spring. It would be good to have help.
Some things I have observed and have been doing:
1. Use non-powered tools so that we don't worry/disturb the neighbors.
Grass whip or weed whacker to cut back the burdocks, grass, etc.
Loppers and small pruners to cut individual small branches.
Machete to cut back the dense jungle bits. When I first worked in there it was mid summer and it required a lot of machete work.
Folding saw for cutting smaller downed trees.
Someone left / donated a small yellow bow saw out there. I'm not sure it is still there but I have used it a couple times to cut larger downed trees.
A shovel. I don't think it is the one you mentioned. I don't own one but feel that is something we could use.
2. Being friendly and courteous to people walking in there. We want their impression of bicyclists to be positive.
3. Carry out what I bring in.
4. Repair inappropriate/unsafe changes made by others. A lot of non-mountain bikers spend time out there especially in the non-winter, non-heavy mosquito seasons. I can ride there one day and everything is normal, then the next day someone has dug holes next to the trail for no apparent reason, left their trash there, put branches onto or across the trail, deficated on the trail (yes, that happened), any tools left there (e.g. saw, shovel) are moved, bricks are moved, added, removed from the trail, etc. One time, while I just rode a portion of trail, a guy and girl blocked parts of the trail with big branches! I watched them do it! I am mentioning the negatives only so you know going in, what kind of things can happen there and how much of your work can be undone or sabotaged. My experience is that those biking the trails aren't the ones doing bad things but because bicyclists the ones most noticeably using the area, they will continue to get the blame.
5. Suggested maintenance schedule:
Bushes and small trees: Cut back during the fall, winter, spring before they develop leaves and while there are no bugs. It is also a good time to cut back the thorny wild raspberries.
Grass, burdock and smaller weeds: Begin about 2 weeks before memorial day. Cut back a couple feet on each side of the trail with a non-powered weed whacker. Things are still a bit short so it is rather easy during this time. Repeat about every 4-6 weeks.
Hardening low/wet areas, movement of dirt, etc: Spring and Fall. I have been using the bricks from the brick pile for hardening some areas.
These are user-created trails; not sanctioned or supported by a mountain bike association. According to a study done by the mountain bike association of Santa Cruz, user created trails simply exist because of an unmet need by local mountain bike associations. Hopefully, some attention will be given to development and maintenance of east side trails in the future. I remain optimistic that this may happen.
I think there are a good number of persons living on the east side that use/would use them to get out for an hour or so without having to load up their bikes or riding them for an hour to a trail.
Thanks for your involvement. Improvements are always good.
Last Edit: January 16, 2020, 10:56 AM by 2ridgid
January 17, 2020, 08:50 PM
Thanks for the post, and all of your work, 2ridgid. Many good points, many of which apply to any trail system. A couple thoughts.
CORP, and Madison Parks, and Dane County Parks, are all aware of the lack of amenities on the east side, and are working as actively as resources allow to solve that. All three of those groups have many other things going on, though, and any support/encouragement/help anyone is able to lend is more valuable than you might imagine.
Bringing these trails above board would alleviate some of the problems you mention, though their long history will mean that some users will feel proprietary toward them regardless of what happens and will continue to treat them as their own.
What would it take to bring them above board? A person, or small group of people, willing to spend some time going to meetings, emailing and calling officials, talking with other users, and the like. Not alot of time, perhaps an hour or two a week, but it might take several months, and it will be frustrating at times, and not near as glamorous as hacking through the woods with a machete.
As has been mentioned a couple times above, the land here is owned by Dane County Airport. I don't know who the appropriate contact to begin talking to is, but CORP has a very good relationship with Dane County Parks and I'm confident that a few emails or phone calls could get is in touch with that person. What we don't have is a person with the time and commitment to follow up with the amount of time that getting through the process would take. Is someone on this thread that person?
To legitimize these trials would be super valuable to the larger riding community, a great way to build a small community of caretakers, and would give some assurance that your work would have some permanence. CORP has support, expertise, contacts and a communication network to help out. Most of us started out taking care of or building trail in our favorite local system, and understand how rewarding that is, and appreciate that that is as far as most riders are going to go. But every official trails system we have got that way because a few folks were willing to take the next steps.
If anyone is interested in taking those steps here, or just learning more about those steps, email me at
January 22, 2020, 09:52 AM
@2ridgid, thanks for work you have done on the trails. Would you have any interest in meeting up sometime to discuss some of the work you brought up? I think we will get more done if we are at least aware of what the other person is thinking. Feel free to send me a direct message here.
@augs, I sent you an email .
April 11, 2020, 04:29 PM
I had ideas about organizing a work day for the burdock trails this spring but covid19 put a stop to that. It doesn't really seem like much work is needed anyway.
Today I did a little riding and carried out two bags of garbage. The trails were in good shape and ready to ride any time it is dry.
Last Edit: April 11, 2020, 06:05 PM by Justin Meyer
April 20, 2020, 10:28 AM
I've noticed that a lot of new trails were made over the winter and spring and are still being made. This place is the wild west and people will do what they want but I want to make a couple of suggestions:
- Some of the new trails runs right through areas that are frequently damp. A more sustainable trail design could use the high ground to allow for more riding days.
- Some of the new trails are on side slopes. These will erode over time. Since there is little maintenance done on these trails it would be more sustainable to avoid side slopes.
- Significant portions of the new trails run right next to old trails. If the new trails is and improvement over the old let's wipe out the old to avoid a spider web of trails.
- Many sections of the new trails go in a straight line from one obstacle (ex: a dirt pile) to the next. Curves make for fun riding.
No offense, I'm not trying to attack the trail builder. I'm just making suggestions based on my opinion about how to make the trails last with limited maintenance.
April 26, 2020, 08:29 AM
A little background about new trails appearing.
I have been working on these trails for the last 3-4 years. About 3 years ago, several of us mountain bikers, added a small loop on the plateau below the tallest hill/mound. It was intended to be a bit of a skill area so, keeping the natural terrain as it was with off-camber turns was intentional. It sharpens your off-camber skills and is in the spirit of the old-school trails before everyone started building berms and bench cutting trails. So far, erosion appears to be minimal so I don't think that has been an issue.
Some new trails were and are being built in the low areas that you refer to. This is being done by one person who lives in the neighborhood and they are not members of CORP or any mountain bike group. I have spoken to them and they have a motocross background, hence the longer straight sections I think. Because it is not an official trail, it is difficult to police so called "unofficial trail building" and enforce trail building standards.
Without official trail management by any organization, these trails are going to be whatever people who do work there want them to be I'm afraid. So far, I'm ok with it being this way. In some ways, the place is an interesting trail use experiment. For example, after fresh rains when everything else is closed, people ride there and despite them making ruts and riding thru puddles, it all seems to smooth out in a matter of a few days like the damage was never done.
If you want stricter compliance to standard trail building practices, it isn't going to happen without the trails becoming official.
Thanks for all your help out there.
P.S. With COVID, there are a lot of people out there lately including families with kids. Hence, I have been focusing on making it safer by removing low branches, rebar sticking out of the ground etc. I cut down that big tree branch that required one to duck under. I didn't want someone new to the trail to smack their head. Not speaking from experience or anything.
April 27, 2020, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the effigy in the back corner whomever did that. Nice touch!
May 17, 2020, 08:09 AM
Thanks to the trail angel(s) that did some weed trimming recently! There have been times the last few years where I wasn't able to keep up with it. I will get out there and trim back some more stick weeds before they blossom out with their stickers! The trails have seen heavy use lately as more people have ventured out and discovered the place during COVID. I've never seen the trails so polished!
On another note: People are adding jumps and in come cases, badly designed bumps and lips here and there. Also, digging dirt for jumps and leaving big holes near the trail. Whoever you are, although I find some of these changes good overall, please ensure what you build is rather safe. There are a lot of inexperienced people riding out there.
June 19, 2020, 04:49 PM
A little update:
I've done some trimming of brush, weeds, and branches trailside as well as overhead branches over the last couple weeks. It grows rather fast this time of year. So far, I am keeping up using non-motorized tools. The mosquitoes are out in full force, that's for sure. Some people have added a berm and started a little jump line that is fun. Still a rather unorganized collection of improvements, which, is kind of awesome in it's own way.
Let me know in replies if anyone wants to work more collaboratively on things, have ideas, etc.
Have fun riding!